Logic+3

This wiki is due by midnight on November, 14th...here is a couple of questions to kick off this week's discussion:

What is the relationship between logic and knowledge? How does logic relate to the other ways of knowing?

M.Gutierrez: To me there cannot be logic without knowledge because knowledge is something you gain from experience, like wisdom, and without that we wouldn't have even been able to start our evolution from cave men. So to answer the question, there is a huge relationship between logic and knowledge because logic wouldn't exist without knowledge.

Olivas: Logic is a way to sort of make sense of knowledge that is gained. It is a way to debunk certain fallacious thinking and to confirm or deny your own beliefs.

N.Cuevas: I agree with Mr. Olivas since through logic, humans can determine wheter our believes and knowledge is valid or invalid.

J.Carvajal:I agree with both Ms.Cuevas and Mr.Olivas because we can use our logic in order to tell if something is valid or invalid

Olivas to Nancy and Gustavo: HEY NANCY AND GUSTAVO! We didn't have enough time to discuss but you said perception is more reliable than logic while Gustavo and I said that logic is only as reliable as your perception and at times even more reliable. So why do you think perception is more reliable than knowledge?

N.Cuevas: Well, I think that reason depends on perception because thata is the way in which we can obtain information through our senses that then develops into logical arguments. So, if we perceive false information then our reasoning is incorrect. I also believe that logic is essential for our understanding of knowledge and for the determination of an argument's validity. However, I believe that perception can affect how we determine logic.

L. Silva: Logic bases off of knowledge, and helps us aquire more knowledge as well through syllogisms. They each depend on eachother.

M.Agundez: Logic is a way to sort knowledge to be able to use it in reason. Knowledge that is gained is used for different all the different ways of knowing. Logic relates to the other ways of knowing in how we use them all to think and learn.

A.Castaneda: M. Agundez, what do you mean by logic is a way to sort knowledge? How do we sort it out?

M.Agundez: Ms.Castaneda, the knowledge that we have we use it to argue many times. Through logic we form our knowledge into a stable argument just like when we use syllogisms in class.

A.Castaneda: Once logic is constructed then you gain knowledge; however, if knowledge is already formed then the logic to that knowledge already exists. Logic as well relates to perception, because you make logical facts about what you are perceiving in order to make sense to it.

M.Getch: I disagree with the sentiment that logic forms a bridge to knowledge. Logic is more like spell check for other ideas, rather than a system of gaining knowledge. Logic is organizing ideas so they can be understood and make sense. Not a necessary element, but a helpful catalyst.

E. Peterson: Like all the other ways of knowing, knowledge and logic work off of one another. When unsure or confused of the knowledge you have gained, you go through logical thinking (forming syllogisms and such) to confirm or deny the knowledge you have gained. From logic you gain knowledge as well. You find out whether your logical thinking is fallacious or true and if its true then from that you have gained some knowledge which can be expanded to further gain more knowledge.

E.Peterson: Ms. Castaneda, by "logical facts" through perception, wouldn't most logic due to perception be fallacious since perception is very biased? That would mean you'd need to be very cautious when using perception in your logical thinking. So I would think that perception should be avoided somewhat when using logic to form knowledge.

L. Silva: Ms. Castaneda, I agree with Mr. Peterson. perception is one of the least reliable ways of knowing we can attain knowledge through, for we are bias. Perception can lead to false premises, which lead to invalid syllogisms.

N.cuevas: The relationship between logic and the rest of the areas of knowledge is that all of them are limited and can lead us to acquire false knowledge.

J.Carvajal:Ms.Cuevas can they always lead us to false knowledge?

M.gutierrez: I agree with Ms. Cuevas because all of the areas of knowing do have their own limits whether they be bias or that they are limited. And to answer Mr. Carvajals question the ares of knowledge do lead us to false knowledge but not always.

M.Getch: Logic is a type of self checking system kind of like the antibodies in your blood. Logic scrutinizes foreign knowledge and decides if it should be brought in. It doesn't, however check knowledge that is already gained. I can't determine if this is dangerous or if it is beneficial.

Curtis Wilson-Patterson: In order to think of something logically you have to have some knowledge about that area or subject. If one does not have knowledge about the area or object they can't truely think logically. Curtis Wilson-Patterson: Knowledge in logic helps for one to know something but to go outside of their knowledge and personal feelings and think of the smartest way to solve something and or look at something.

N.Eddy : There are some really interesting comments here...I would challenge all of you though to think more critically about the relationship between the other ways of knowing and logic...is there a hierarchy? Are some more reliable than others? Are they all equally responsible for how we acquire knowledge?

E.Tenort: Logic is king, it could not be with out the other ways of knowing like a king would not be with out the people under him. Perception is the primary way of knowing as in it comes first you can have any other way of know before you perceive something. You can not talk about it (language) or have feelings about it (emotion) with out seeing what it is; however it extremely flaw and easily fooled so it is up to its king to guided it.